tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post1624858670124714853..comments2024-01-06T04:19:07.616-08:00Comments on Real Social Dynamics Blog: Opinion Openers -- Pros & ConsTyler-Real Social Dynamicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06957018105278795280noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-7448617031418166362007-08-03T14:03:00.000-07:002007-08-03T14:03:00.000-07:00Well, use opinion openers when you actually care a...Well, use opinion openers when you actually care about the opinion.<BR/><BR/>If not use a situational opener or floppsy in Juggler speak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-40817294756116453942007-07-17T23:40:00.000-07:002007-07-17T23:40:00.000-07:00I'm starting to like opinion openers more. The ke...I'm starting to like opinion openers more. The key for me was to stop using other people's words directly (made me feel incongruent) and to ask things I am actually interested about. And also, be able to move OFF of the opener and not get stuck in question-asking beta-dude mode.<BR/><BR/>-ChanceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-5984582509466788792007-07-10T13:05:00.000-07:002007-07-10T13:05:00.000-07:00Don't want to rain on the parade but opening with ...Don't want to rain on the parade but opening with "hi I am john smith" didn't work well with guys before they found the community.<BR/><BR/>Yeah true maybe they will have slightly better inner game and not back down immediately when they get a bitch shield but they will ultimately back down.<BR/><BR/>All this no routine/no opener stuff is going WAY TOO far IMHO. <BR/><BR/>EqualAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-14712996459759085702007-07-07T10:37:00.000-07:002007-07-07T10:37:00.000-07:00anywaypeace guys; i dont violence but im TRYING to...anyway<BR/><BR/>peace guys; i dont violence but im TRYING to rid of it by SAYING it or releasing it through shamanstic badass chits<BR/><BR/>i THINK i can hook a pornstar gf; i already TALKED to her honestly, simply TALK you overlogical fuckin nerds<BR/><BR/>anyway<BR/><BR/>also, this korean stripper was so hot YESTERNIGHT; i would've boned her but SHE was running dumbass cheap shit on my ass; so... what they GIVE if its shit then they get it back 10 fold, let them learn btw im an asshole not.<BR/><BR/>anyway<BR/><BR/>PEACEdean dedicatoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12081389899332343169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-74436467244971784692007-07-03T16:54:00.000-07:002007-07-03T16:54:00.000-07:00Every girl I have talked to about this says they h...Every girl I have talked to about this says they hate, absoulutely hate when guys "think" up something to say before they come over and approach. <BR/><BR/>Thinking before approach= Lower Value<BR/><BR/>If you are thinking what to use or say before the approach then you must feel like it has to be something "good" or she will reject you.<BR/><BR/>This 9 out 10 times will fuck you over because it comes through on the sublevels. Girls can read this shit, its scary. Guys think girls can't tell, but usually they can.<BR/><BR/>Ironically thats why it can work and does for some guys, because they can tell that you thought about it but they are ok with it anyway and thus the girl opens.<BR/><BR/>I definitely don't think thinking before approach should be accepted because it works sometimes.<BR/><BR/>I think of it like a fire ball, if a ball of fire were going to a club would it think of what do do, or would it just emit its heat. Girls don't care as much what your saying, as much as feeling your heat all around you.<BR/><BR/>Of course this has been said before...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-19028949108325566642007-07-02T14:41:00.000-07:002007-07-02T14:41:00.000-07:00I've only been mildly successful with routines in ...I've only been mildly successful with routines in the past...though they helped get me started. I'm finding though that learning "tactics" like push-pull is really helpful when come at it from the angle of integrating it into my personality... Push-pull/C&F has allowed me to access a side of my personality that I previously didn't know I had, and it's great for me, because being too much the opposite was a problem for me. ...And coming at it from the angle of using it to ADD VALUE to interactions...to make other people's night more fun, and have fun doing it. Mutualism is the key to life.<BR/><BR/>-ThrillseekerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-61161398993511566682007-07-01T08:06:00.000-07:002007-07-01T08:06:00.000-07:00"'If you're curious about where I stand on this, b..."'If you're curious about where I stand on this, btw -- I find myself in the middle, in that I teach 80% "how to be a guy who gets attraction by *being* rather than *doing*" and about 20% "technique" -- which I believe is the absolutely crucial 20% that produces immediate, tangible results.'<BR/><BR/>*ahem, Tyler, 80-20% isn't down the middle......... ;)"<BR/><BR/>LMAO!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-9110433845940266572007-06-30T20:30:00.000-07:002007-06-30T20:30:00.000-07:00Dear Tyler,Over the past two days, I have read alm...Dear Tyler,<BR/>Over the past two days, I have read almost your entire blog. The work that you have done and the relentlessness of analysis are so impressive.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for having done this work.. <BR/>It is very cool and just fucking interesting as hell.<BR/><BR/>CedricAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-2511948604163890582007-06-29T10:39:00.000-07:002007-06-29T10:39:00.000-07:00I used to be guilty of doing: "HeyguysrealquickIne...I used to be guilty of doing: "HeyguysrealquickIneedafemaleopinion".<BR/><BR/>Now all I concentrate on is saying "Hey guys"...and let the rest flow from what is on my mind.norxcontactshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03070274738248539876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-5736331156678280832007-06-27T09:41:00.000-07:002007-06-27T09:41:00.000-07:00go in chode then explode!hahahago in chode then explode!<BR/><BR/>hahahaAnthony Nunezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03776529720553561906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-20925966519646846812007-06-27T07:16:00.000-07:002007-06-27T07:16:00.000-07:00"If you're curious about where I stand on this, bt..."If you're curious about where I stand on this, btw -- I find myself in the middle, in that I teach 80% "how to be a guy who gets attraction by *being* rather than *doing*" and about 20% "technique" -- which I believe is the absolutely crucial 20% that produces immediate, tangible results."<BR/><BR/>*ahem, Tyler, 80-20% isn't down the middle......... ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-17379432465677882492007-06-27T04:35:00.000-07:002007-06-27T04:35:00.000-07:00Great article! Hilarious openers:DGreat article! Hilarious openers:DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-78433522200598769522007-06-27T01:34:00.000-07:002007-06-27T01:34:00.000-07:00"-Waving your hands over-enthusiastically (somewha..."-Waving your hands over-enthusiastically (somewhat like a retard -- hands at head level and just wave at the wrist), which is absolutely hilarious with a super hot girl who takes herself very seriously..."<BR/><BR/>LOL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-85799758841527428652007-06-27T00:17:00.000-07:002007-06-27T00:17:00.000-07:00LOL I do the waving by the wrist thing. XD-gruenfe...LOL I do the waving by the wrist thing. XD<BR/><BR/>-gruenfeldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-46413287021465068372007-06-26T20:51:00.000-07:002007-06-26T20:51:00.000-07:00The fact that opinion openers are so well known no...The fact that opinion openers are so well known now is a huge drawback. Basically, from "indirect" your approach immediately becomes "lame direct", if the target manages to recognize the structure.<BR/><BR/> Having said that, it is pretty easy to convert the opinion opener+time constraint into a barely recognizable form (= making it your own), at which point you are home free :-) After all, being interested in people's opinions is allowed!!! With that, one could go into J*u*g*g*l*e*r's open ended question + escalation loop, which fits organically in this case. Here you are technically opening with a request for some minor effort from her, which can be rewarded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-8177327434401981902007-06-26T20:12:00.000-07:002007-06-26T20:12:00.000-07:00Totally. It's good to vary your openers, but if th...Totally. It's good to vary your openers, but if they already work consistently I would consider that part of the game pretty much solved. What's interesting is that some guys got good opening game but always look for new openers (usually canned lines) instead of focusing on their real sticking points.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-53769488422118321222007-06-26T19:05:00.000-07:002007-06-26T19:05:00.000-07:00Wow, Tyler. I'm really glad to see a post that wa...Wow, Tyler. I'm really glad to see a post that wasn't entirely inner game. Bravo, this was great.<BR/><BR/>Andrew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-61303887698626566572007-06-26T18:39:00.000-07:002007-06-26T18:39:00.000-07:00awesome stuff!I hope you cover opening in massive ...awesome stuff!<BR/><BR/>I hope you cover opening in massive detail on Transformations!<BR/><BR/>I really liked the preview in london.<BR/><BR/>THE BIG QUESTION IS:<BR/><BR/>Can you get the same pro's out of the natural openers (like simply introducing yourself) that you get in opinion openers? If so, what is the key to developing this skill?<BR/><BR/>I find it way harder to open naturally in (large) mixed sets, and very large sets.<BR/><BR/>What did you do to get past this?<BR/><BR/>Thanks!<BR/><BR/>PS I think kiera is a mega hottie, but why is she in this aticle? is it just because she is hot?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-1544406756925716472007-06-26T15:38:00.000-07:002007-06-26T15:38:00.000-07:00As someone caught in the throes of what to open wi...As someone caught in the throes of what to open with, this is great advice. I've been too caught up with getting the right technique, rather than getting out of my head. Thank you for this most necessary correction.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13969962596576784552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-30120392437195448772007-06-26T14:37:00.000-07:002007-06-26T14:37:00.000-07:00"I still think openers can be cool, but IMHO they ..."I still think openers can be cool, but IMHO they *must* be mixed in and taught with a *variety* of other openers, including......"<BR/><BR/>THE CLAAAAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!<BR/><BR/>dharsantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-11923768881624463322007-06-26T14:29:00.000-07:002007-06-26T14:29:00.000-07:00I like salad.I like salad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-84117712412555253102007-06-26T14:06:00.000-07:002007-06-26T14:06:00.000-07:00I loved the bit about the NewRock wearing chodes. ...I loved the bit about the NewRock wearing chodes. Fucking hilarious.<BR/><BR/>And the D&D lords of the night club. Ah man, this is high humour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-117782339072577802007-06-26T14:05:00.000-07:002007-06-26T14:05:00.000-07:00Struck gold as usual, I haven't started approachin...Struck gold as usual, I haven't started approaching yet and I am building a base of openers of my own to start with. At first I was afraid that it would not work with own openers, but the more I read the more it seems to work with whatever you say to the girl if you project yourself in a good way. Living in LA myself I want to avoid being called upon as a pickup-guy until I have reduced my AA somewhat. Thanks.<BR/>/schemesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-3353690034709576632007-06-26T13:59:00.000-07:002007-06-26T13:59:00.000-07:00"BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY as opposed to loo..."BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY as opposed to looking for a guru to tell you it's good enough."<BR/><BR/>20% technique is all you'll ever need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37394673.post-49427444987579814462007-06-26T12:18:00.000-07:002007-06-26T12:18:00.000-07:00Fine, fine post, again. All these articles seem to...Fine, fine post, again. All these articles seem to be written just for me.<BR/>I learned to be pretty competent at opening in a fairly natural & direct way simply by going, "I just had to talk to you because..." and then giving a genuine reason, no matter how slight it is..https://www.blogger.com/profile/11753032149003893654noreply@blogger.com